What is it worth?

[Mag00]

Hi everyone! I hope you all will forgive me but I've just joined the club in hopes that you all would help me make the right decision on a 1994 Kawasaki Voyager XII and I didn't know if I could ask these questions as a guest. Here's the details and questions:

I am interested in buying a 1994 Voyager XII. It has factory colors turquoise and black. Overall the motorcycle is in very good condition with no visible and/or significant rust and no significant dings. Overall paint is excellent.

It has 44,000 on the odometer and tires are good. Engine starts right up, but even after warmed up the idle fluctuates about 500 rpm, but it cracks nicely when snapping the throttle.

Additionally, the fork seals are shot. The front brake rotor is drenched in fork fluid. When I sat on the bike the front forks bottomed out. And there is rust in the gas tank although it does not appear to be bad, and the tank smells like turpentine so I know the motorcycle has sat unused for long periods.

It's a consignment bike at a Kawi dealership with an asking price of $4999 ( I was told the owner recently lowered the price). I've done some online research and it seems to me this Voyager is worth around $2500 at most, as is. The sales manager at the dealership claims the bike is priced right at almost $5K. I asked him to ask the owner if he would consider repairing the front fork seals and r & r the brakes so I could test ride it before making an offer. Sales manager said if he did that the price would be $5999.00. Yes, I could test ride the bike as is, but I don't think it's safe to do so.

BTW, the sales manager did tell me he rides it daily to keep the battery charged and claims he takes it up to 60 mph (imagine that with oil soaked front brakes), while his staff said he rides it around the block every day.

Now, I'm guessing it needs a tune-up and carb synch, front forks seals replaced, front brakes r & r,
and r & r and coat fuel tank. If a dealer did all this work I estimate it would cost around $1,000. I can probably do all the repairs myself however.

So. Here's my question:

Can you give me an idea of what this motorcycle is worth? I will say that if the fork seals were good, brakes were good, engine idled properly and there was no rust in the fuel tank, I would consider this motorcycle to be in excellent condition. But as is, I'd just call it very good.

I appreciate your opinions and advice.



Thanks!

[voyager55]

A cherry 2003 with 40,000 on it and needing no repair sold near me last week for $5000
Stay away from dealers, That's insane. you'll do much better with a private party

[joerod777]

I think your instincts are correct. I'd say a bike in this condition would rate no more than $2500 and maybe closer to $2000.

[Bill O]

$2K would be tops. Walk away from the dealer, he's full of it.....

Bill O

[gearheadfla]

I agree, couple of grand at the most, sounds like it needs work, bad gas is not good, carbs will need attention, ever take the gas tank out of a XII? NOT FUN!!!!!! Front forks are not that hard to deal with, I would install Progressive springs in it if I was doing it. I don't think the guy is riding it 60mph with collapsed forks, ask him to prove it and film him, mite make a good U-Tube post. , just walk away, keep a eye on Craig's list and find a good XII for sale, you won't be disappointed in a XII, they are great bulletproof bikes and will and have gone over 300k miles strong with just a little TLC. I would tell him $1500, have $2000 in my pocket, if he says no, say see ya and put the cash back in the pocket and walk, try to find the real owner and deal with him, he mite not want to see the cash walk away so fast. I have bought more than one bike by walking away.

[Mag00]

Thanks to all of you. I've seen enough replies to confirm my feelings. The one thing I didn't do was show cash and make an offer but I felt that the way the sales manager talked, it wouldn't have made a difference. BTW, it's been on his lot for over three months.

[Me Again]

try this site.
It will give you a feel for whats out there.
Maybe even something in your area
http://motorcycle.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/mas ... %20voyager
Not sure how this will show as a link but you can go to motorcycle then Kawasaki then Voyager if it comes up someplace else

[Dion]

Price is too high

[debron]

I paid $4,000 for my '95 (also teal/blue) a year and a half ago which I felt was a "premium" price but the bike had only 29k and was pristine, needing no repairs. So I agree, $2k tops in it's current condition, but why?? If your budget stretches to $4,000 - $5,000 you can find very nice Voyager XIIs in ride-away condition. If you bought this bike, Murphy's Law dictates that it will cost more than you estimate to bring it up to snuff!

[k7nutN7nut]

I am interested in buying a 1994 Voyager XII. It has factory colors turquoise and black.
It has 44,000 on the odometer and tires are good.



I appreciate your opinions and advice.



Thanks!

Everyone else said the same thing I would...RUN!

Just an idea, my '00 I got, I traded a KLR 650 for it, because the owner overheated it and was asking 2K for it on CL. No one would touch it, not knowing what may be wrong with it?
Nothing else was wrong, but it turned out to be a blown headgasket, but I had another '00 engine with 2453 miles on it from the original owner dumping his new bike, so I didn't care what was wrong with the engine...I just swapped the engines!?
Like said previously, forks, not a problem, but pulling the carbs is tricky, not impossible, but time consuming...at least it was for me, til I learned a couple of tricks!?
If you really want a XII, keep looking and, you won't be disappointed...well, I haven't.
Just a thought, looks like your in a "warm" area, try search tempest to look on CL, maybe another member might go check a bike for you in another city and see if it's worth you coming and getting it...at least we do that on other motorcycle sites?
That would be alot of fun, meet some others here, maybe change fluids and make sure she's road worthy and ride her home...just a thought? :hmm

I just checked, one in Reno and Coos Bay Oregon, 3K for the closer one.
There out there, stay away from the StealerShips!!!!

[gearheadfla]

If you find one in my area I would be glad to check it out for you, and I'm sure anybody else would be to, I'm in Florida and this state is infested with them.

[Ditto]

I am interested in buying a 1994 Voyager XII. It has factory colors turquoise and black. Overall the motorcycle is in very good condition with no visible and/or significant rust and no significant dings. Overall paint is excellent.

If the main body color is black and insert is turquoise then it is not a 1994, it is a 92 or 93. A 94 looks like Debron's signature picture. The insert color is just a darker blue. Now, that is unless someone has been switching the plastic to a different year model. But regardless, do as others have said and run. You can get a sweet running VXII for that kind of money.

[debron]

Unfortunately it's sold, but check out this '96 for price comparison:

http://salem.craigslist.org/mcy/4064069194.html

[Kevin B in Illinois]

Just seen a 1993 Voyager XII listed in the Trader paper with 47xxx miles on it listed for $2100 obo with Corbin seat and a few of the markland accessories from makaw. A month ago there was a 1986 listed for $1400 in the paper with 77xxx miles on it. Niehaus Cycle in Litchfield has Voyagers listed in the used bikes occassionally but for a lot less money than what you mentioned. I would pass on that deal. Just my thoughts.

Kevin Braddy
IPVMC
President

[Scott-(Altoona, PA)]

Thanks to all of you. I've seen enough replies to confirm my feelings. The one thing I didn't do was show cash and make an offer but I felt that the way the sales manager talked, it wouldn't have made a difference. BTW, it's been on his lot for over three months.

Mag00, not sure how you feel about eBay but here is a link for a unit that is done in less than 2 days.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-Other- ... otorcycles

edit: you can do a search for Voyager XII's for sale and see what's available. I'm certain you'll find something cheaper in as nice a condition. When I found the 1st Voyager I looked at it was at a dealer who told me that the price was high cause it was just like a Goldwing. My reply was "but it's not a Goldwing, my Ford truck wasn't a Cadillac either so I couldn't ask Caddy prices for it when I sold it"! He just didn't get it and didn't sell it (to me at least). Three weeks later I bought one 3 years newer for $2,000 less than he was asking.

[kjsett]

Thanks to all of you. I've seen enough replies to confirm my feelings. The one thing I didn't do was show cash and make an offer but I felt that the way the sales manager talked, it wouldn't have made a difference. BTW, it's been on his lot for over three months.

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1998 kawasaki voyager 1200 - $3800 (n,Phoenix)
sweet ride, runs great & comes with extras 52k mi, $3800 602 390 - 8478
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/mcy/3980626073.html

If I didn't already have a 2003, I would go look at it myself.

(course if somebody wanted me to deliver, I am always up for a ride)

[gearheadfla]

Thanks to all of you. I've seen enough replies to confirm my feelings. The one thing I didn't do was show cash and make an offer but I felt that the way the sales manager talked, it wouldn't have made a difference. BTW, it's been on his lot for over three months.

Wouldn't it be great to buy twice the XII at half the price, then go show it to him ?

[Lucasind]

.....YES IT WOULD...... but he wouldn't care, because he's a salseman.

[Mag00]

Thanks to all of you. I've seen enough replies to confirm my feelings. The one thing I didn't do was show cash and make an offer but I felt that the way the sales manager talked, it wouldn't have made a difference. BTW, it's been on his lot for over three months.

Mag00, not sure how you feel about eBay but here is a link for a unit that is done in less than 2 days.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kawasaki-Other- ... otorcycles

edit: you can do a search for Voyager XII's for sale and see what's available. I'm certain you'll find something cheaper in as nice a condition. When I found the 1st Voyager I looked at it was at a dealer who told me that the price was high cause it was just like a Goldwing. My reply was "but it's not a Goldwing, my Ford truck wasn't a Cadillac either so I couldn't ask Caddy prices for it when I sold it"! He just didn't get it and didn't sell it (to me at least). Three weeks later I bought one 3 years newer for $2,000 less than he was asking.

That's nice. Wish I would have seen it sooner I would have jumped on it. I've had a lot of stuff going on so I wasn't doing full time Voyager hunting.

Darn! That was a good deal!

[Mag00]

BTW, the Voyager I was looking at here in Bullhead City, AZ is in fact a 1994. It looks just like Ron in Oregon's Voyager.