Weird Q - Cruise Control Cancel - throttle back and hand numbness issue too

[drtechnology]

So drove new bike like 200 miles this past weekend - about 140 freeway miles. LOVE the cruise control minus one thing I notice...

Just keeping my hand there not turning it, riding great, I find out of no where it slips back and I feel a bump like as it rolls back then CC cancels and bike starts to slow down. I resume it, and after a min or 2 or sometimes longer, out of nowhere happens again. I get this is prolly a built in function to allow u to cancel it without turning it off or applying any brakes, but why? I dont get the need and is there any way to disable this? It seems just from the normal riding the vibration or a small bump I am accidentally canceling it and it is really annoying lol.

Tried searching for anything about this, but it is not broke, so its not an issue of it working, just a werid feature that I guess it has built into it and idk why or if anyone else has the issue I do.

Also, not a bike issue but call it old age (Turn 40 in October) Or, call it poor circulation, but I found after 5 yrs not riding a 2 wheel device, now when on freeway longer than 15 min at a time my hands seem to numb up. I bought those copper fit things for ur hands - black gloves with copper lines in them, put those under my gloves, no help. Any one else have this issue and what do you use or do other than taking one hand off at a time and moving it around a few seconds to get numbness gone for a short while, then repeat lol.

Thanks

[Nails]

See the manual to make sure you have the right amount of slack in the throttle cables. (Personally, I plan to remove that throttle cancel switch altogether.)

> black gloves with copper lines in them, put those under my gloves, no help.

Snake oil -- not sure why you'd expect that to help.

I'd have to recommend working on riding more relaxed. Make sure the handlebars are adjust to you.

[triton28]

Sometimes the OEM front brake lever activating arm does not keep the CC switch engaged. Possibly stiff on the pivot bolt or too much slack at the pivot bolt, not allowing the lever to stay fully extended. I doubt it is the throttle cancel switch as one has to over roll back the throttle grip to have this switch cancel the cruise.

[Nails]

one has to over roll back the throttle grip to have this switch cancel the cruise.

I've done exactly that, going over bumps, when the CC wants to accelerate, and especially if the throttle slack is too tight. I hate that switch.

But yeah, there are several cancel switches. I can look forward to running down the list, since my CC quit working (again) a couple weeks ago.

The whole set-up is rather Rube Goldberg.

[drtechnology]

one has to over roll back the throttle grip to have this switch cancel the cruise.

I've done exactly that, going over bumps, when the CC wants to accelerate, and especially if the throttle slack is too tight. I hate that switch.

But yeah, there are several cancel switches. I can look forward to running down the list, since my CC quit working (again) a couple weeks ago.

The whole set-up is rather Rube Goldberg.

I must say I believe this is it. The brake handle is VERY extended out - so much so I sometimes by mistake when pulling on it spin the throttle a bit as i extend my hand out as it is farther out from the throttle than I would like - been meaning to move it in a bit, I'm sure it's adjustable... just been lazy and have not yet. The reason I am agreeing with Nails is that yes, when it accelerates or I hit a bump I feel the jolt or bump if u will in throttle handle as it twists back a bit and bam, cruise is canceled. That is what has me annoyed about the cruise lol

[GrandpaDenny]

Nails beat me to it, I strongly suggest adjusting the handlebars. Cured my wrist aches and numb hands and shoulder problems, and didn't cost a penny. Brought the upper bars back two clicks, which cured the numbness and shoulder aches. Aligned the levers so my wrists stay straight, that cured the wrist pain.

I also agree with the "copper infused" or whatever being "snake oil". Total crap and waste of money. The only effect copper can possibly have is to turn whatever part of you it comes in contact with green.

Also, I noticed a few weird things about my cruise control as well. If I touch the flange on the throttle grip by the brake lever at all, even just bump it, it disengages the cruise control. Also, if you are running around 80mph it may kick off. Also, if your cruise cable is too slack (as almost all are after 20+ years), the wide variation in speed resulting will kick the cruise off.

So, to recap:

• Adjust handlebars

• Align controls

• Get regular motorcycle gloves, either leather or techno-fabric mesh

• Adjust cruise control cable

[drtechnology]

Nails beat me to it, I strongly suggest adjusting the handlebars. Cured my wrist aches and numb hands and shoulder problems, and didn't cost a penny. Brought the upper bars back two clicks, which cured the numbness and shoulder aches. Aligned the levers so my wrists stay straight, that cured the wrist pain.

I also agree with the "copper infused" or whatever being "snake oil". Total crap and waste of money. The only effect copper can possibly have is to turn whatever part of you it comes in contact with green.

Also, I noticed a few weird things about my cruise control as well. If I touch the flange on the throttle grip by the brake lever at all, even just bump it, it disengages the cruise control. Also, if you are running around 80mph it may kick off. Also, if your cruise cable is too slack (as almost all are after 20+ years), the wide variation in speed resulting will kick the cruise off.

So, to recap:

• Adjust handlebars

• Align controls

• Get regular motorcycle gloves, either leather or techno-fabric mesh

• Adjust cruise control cable

I have these gloves, the $10 copper fit gloves were skintight and worn under these... https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/spi ... ior-gloves

I will adjust handles/controls and such should be easy to figure out, again just been lazy and have not done yet lol

The last owner on list of stuff done he said he had the cruise control and speedo cable profressionally replaced and adjusted, so that should be cool. I also have a brand new clutch cable should I ever need it (He gave me spare new parts he did not need to replace old ones with)

Thanks a lot for the help :) Thinking about it handlebars don't seem too bad, but def the brake/clutch can be moved a bit in so closer to handlebars and I guess I will adjust hanndlebars a bit too and play around with different positions to see if one makes me more comfy when sitting on bike.

Thanks again :)

[VoyKimmer]

(The last owner on list of stuff done he said he had the cruise control and speedo cable profressionally replaced and adjusted, so that should be cool. I also have a brand new clutch cable should I ever need it (He gave me spare new parts he did not need to replace old ones with)

Never heard of anyone ever having to replace the cruise control cables, just adjust them.
No adjustment on speedo cable. No such thing as clutch cable on voyager . It’s a hydraulic clutch . Don’t know what cable you got.

[GrandpaDenny]

I have these gloves, the $10 copper fit gloves were skintight and worn under these... https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/spi ... ior-gloves

Yikes! $120 bucks for gloves! Wow, I'm gonna somehow get on your xmas list They look hot, and I don't mean cool hot, I mean like not breathable hot. How are they for summer use?

I will adjust handles/controls and such should be easy to figure out, again just been lazy and have not done yet lol

Use some locktite (blue is fine) on the handlebars.

The last owner on list of stuff done he said he had the cruise control and speedo cable profressionally replaced and adjusted, so that should be cool. I also have a brand new clutch cable should I ever need it (He gave me spare new parts he did not need to replace old ones with)

Uh oh. "Professionally replaced and adjusted" seems to usually spell trouble. Especially since there ain't no clutch cable; it's hydraulic. Did he replace the tach cable too? LOL - it's electric, no cable. "Professional" mechanics rarely know how to work on our bikes, especially things like adjusting the cruise control cable. It's not a five minute job. It's not difficult, it just takes a little time to take the fairing apart, and it can seem daunting to those who don't do it all the time (like many of us).

Thanks a lot for the help :) Thinking about it handlebars don't seem too bad, but def the brake/clutch can be moved a bit in so closer to handlebars and I guess I will adjust hanndlebars a bit too and play around with different positions to see if one makes me more comfy when sitting on bike.

There are two adjustments for the handlebars - you can move the upper ones in and out, and adjust the whole assembly front and back. You can also easy adjust the angles of the levers and controls.

Thanks again :)

No prob! Thanks for asking!

[Barry]

When you push the set button, does the cruise control work immediately or is there a slight time delay? If there is a delay, the cable to the actual cruise control motor located behind the right side upper fairing will need to be adjusted. Do you have the factory shop manuals?

[voyager55]

If you need to adjust the cruise control Do a search on You Tube. Chris made a video several years back

[drtechnology]

(The last owner on list of stuff done he said he had the cruise control and speedo cable profressionally replaced and adjusted, so that should be cool. I also have a brand new clutch cable should I ever need it (He gave me spare new parts he did not need to replace old ones with)

Never heard of anyone ever having to replace the cruise control cables, just adjust them.
No adjustment on speedo cable. No such thing as clutch cable on voyager . It’s a hydraulic clutch . Don’t know what cable you got.

a black cable in the box of extra parts got with bike has a small round metal circle on it and a white sticker that says clutch lol. Musta been for one of his other bikes haha. All good and idk he replaced a lot of the wiring too he said maybe he just did a preventative thing idk but it seems to all work good bike is in perfect shape there is not a single issue with it - I'm 'Lovin It :)

[drtechnology]

I have these gloves, the $10 copper fit gloves were skintight and worn under these... https://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/spi ... ior-gloves

Yikes! $120 bucks for gloves! Wow, I'm gonna somehow get on your xmas list They look hot, and I don't mean cool hot, I mean like not breathable hot. How are they for summer use?

I will adjust handles/controls and such should be easy to figure out, again just been lazy and have not done yet lol

Use some locktite (blue is fine) on the handlebars.

The last owner on list of stuff done he said he had the cruise control and speedo cable profressionally replaced and adjusted, so that should be cool. I also have a brand new clutch cable should I ever need it (He gave me spare new parts he did not need to replace old ones with)

Uh oh. "Professionally replaced and adjusted" seems to usually spell trouble. Especially since there ain't no clutch cable; it's hydraulic. Did he replace the tach cable too? LOL - it's electric, no cable. "Professional" mechanics rarely know how to work on our bikes, especially things like adjusting the cruise control cable. It's not a five minute job. It's not difficult, it just takes a little time to take the fairing apart, and it can seem daunting to those who don't do it all the time (like many of us).

Thanks a lot for the help :) Thinking about it handlebars don't seem too bad, but def the brake/clutch can be moved a bit in so closer to handlebars and I guess I will adjust hanndlebars a bit too and play around with different positions to see if one makes me more comfy when sitting on bike.

There are two adjustments for the handlebars - you can move the upper ones in and out, and adjust the whole assembly front and back. You can also easy adjust the angles of the levers and controls.

Thanks again :)

No prob! Thanks for asking!

I got that there is no clutch cable, obviously the cable I got (see above reply I made) is not for this bike lmao. And whatever he did himself and had done to bike it runs puuuuurfect and far as I am concerned other than adjusting brake/clutch/handlebars I am good to go. Bike has zero issues.

Far as the gloves they are not as thick as they look online. My friend has exact same ones and loves how not hot they are in summer and how raintight they are in downpours. I took tow 2 weeks to get the yellow ones and indeed, they are lightweight, protective, and my fingers have great play in them vs bulky thicker n stiffer gloves. I was not too hot in them. I agree a bit pricey but I had a decent $40 pair few yrs back when I was on my scoot and after 6 months the seems wore out and they started falling apart - hopefully these last a few years. My friend says they wash well in the washer and don't have issues after so that's a plus. Way I see it, helmet I have an HJC, jacket/pants got Sedici... I know, expensive and prolle cheaper brands similar quality - but these are all proven 4 and above star stuff I know will last and will protect me should I ever need them to. Stuff I use every time I ride I do not mind splurging a little more on.

[SgtSlag]

+3/whatever on adjusting the cruise control cable tension. This, being loose, will cause multiple weird issues.

With regards to the numb hands... Replace the hard, OEM grips, with foam grips. The end weights on the grips, are there to reduce vibrations, which can lead to numbness in the hands and forearms. I replaced my grips, removing the end weights, without issues -- they eliminated the hand numbness!

I've upgraded to foam grips on three different bikes, since 2006: worked every time, on every bike (440cc, 750cc, and the 1200cc). We toured, circling Lake Superior, on our 1979 CB750K Honda, back in 2009 (seven day trip), with foam grips. She ran perfectly, and we never had numb hands (wife and I trade seats, roughly every two hours), so I know the front and the rear seats, on all of our bikes we had (down to the Voyager only, now).

If you plan on riding two up, the passenger highway pegs, if still available, are worth every penny, on long rides! They allow the passenger to shift their feet, legs, and buttocks, just enough, to relieve the discomfort, at least for a while. Various seat cushions will also help, as well as wooden beads, for a while... Nothing is perfect.

A driver's backrest, is also a must, even for short trips. We could not tour, for seven days plus, without one! Also, check if you can get the trunk extenders, yet. They will allow you to move the trunk back further, for more comfort. In the full-back position, you will also find a cavity, between the trunk and the passenger seat, where you can stow items such as a bike cover, rolled up. The cover also provides some support to the passenger's backside/lower back.

When tweaked a bit, these bikes are truly kings of the roadways. After riding 1,935 miles around Superior, on a 1979 750cc bike, the value, and comfort, of the Voyager XII, is a remarkable upgrade. We love riding our XII. We love touring on it: plenty of power, decent braking, decent suspension, comfortable (with tweaks, as mentioned above), and it handles decent, even in inclement weather. We've ridden in plenty of rain, sat out many a downpour too unsafe to ride in. Rode soaking wet, in 55 F weather, at 60 MPH, on the Honda... Suffered hypothermia, had to stop for the day, at 3:30 PM. Been through a lot of unpleasantness on bikes, but the Voyager is an amazing machine, performing well through every crappy situation we've put it, and ourselves, through. Miles of smiles behind us, thousands of miles of smiles ahead of us, God willing! Cheers!

[Nails]

+3/whatever on adjusting the cruise control cable tension. This, being loose, will cause multiple weird issues.

Be aware that too tight can cause the cruise to kick off unexpectedly. There's another spec in the manual for adjusting the slack at the throttle.

I also use foam grips on street bikes. They don't last very long, so buy the multi-packs.

I replaced my handlebars, so the stock weights had nothing to screw into. I got expansion-plug weights, about half the size of stock. I'd have kept the stock weights if I could've. But I didn't notice any change in vibrations -- maybe just because the new foam grips worked so well.

Various seat cushions will also help, as well as wooden beads, for a while... Nothing is perfect.

I'm with Cranky on this one: beads over an Air Hawk. I tried many things to avoid springing $80 on an Air Hawk; and there are much cheaper alternatives that probably work just as well. (Interesting politics/backstory there.) But my ass, failing to negotiate terms of surrender, just walked off the field -- I mean, in an act of desperation I had to buy an Air Something on the road just to get home (some 1500 miles away). But this setup roughly tripled my seat time. Actually, more than that because now my ass isn't a limiting factor at all. So I'm nominating it for the "perfect" award.

But I can't imagine riding very far without a backrest. And squishable bags on the back seat didn't do the deed for me.

Likewise, I'm a big fan of VistaCruise throttle locks, especially given how fickle the cruise control can be. I recently did a 2400 mile trip, and the CC failed the day before leaving. The VistaCruise stood in just fine, and not having it would've totally sucked. (But I am looking forward to getting the CC back on line ... again.) However, a word of caution: on my recent trip, I had to hard-brake twice (stupid range cattle in Nevada -- not panic, just hard braking). The first time, the brakes didn't work quite right, and the clutch lever initially acted like a brake lever. This was all a flash (in the middle of a long drone) that confused the hell out of me. But of course, the clutch didn't cancel the VistaCruise. This all became clear in the second flash, when the motor started rapping out. For the second calf, old reflexes in my right thumb came back.

[drtechnology]

When you push the set button, does the cruise control work immediately or is there a slight time delay? If there is a delay, the cable to the actual cruise control motor located behind the right side upper fairing will need to be adjusted. Do you have the factory shop manuals?

I find that I must hold the cruise control a second or so left to get it to go into a set mode (push left) and I assumed this was to be sure u did not accidentally push it. However, when using "resume" it works perfectly the instant I push the button right. Far as the on/off buttons on top of the false tank works the instant I use it.

[drtechnology]

When you push the set button, does the cruise control work immediately or is there a slight time delay? If there is a delay, the cable to the actual cruise control motor located behind the right side upper fairing will need to be adjusted. Do you have the factory shop manuals?

Also, yes, I do have the printed and bound service manual, and supplement, plus the smaller owners manual I found. I have it all :)

[drtechnology]

+3/whatever on adjusting the cruise control cable tension. This, being loose, will cause multiple weird issues.

With regards to the numb hands... Replace the hard, OEM grips, with foam grips. The end weights on the grips, are there to reduce vibrations, which can lead to numbness in the hands and forearms. I replaced my grips, removing the end weights, without issues -- they eliminated the hand numbness!

I've upgraded to foam grips on three different bikes, since 2006: worked every time, on every bike (440cc, 750cc, and the 1200cc). We toured, circling Lake Superior, on our 1979 CB750K Honda, back in 2009 (seven day trip), with foam grips. She ran perfectly, and we never had numb hands (wife and I trade seats, roughly every two hours), so I know the front and the rear seats, on all of our bikes we had (down to the Voyager only, now).

If you plan on riding two up, the passenger highway pegs, if still available, are worth every penny, on long rides! They allow the passenger to shift their feet, legs, and buttocks, just enough, to relieve the discomfort, at least for a while. Various seat cushions will also help, as well as wooden beads, for a while... Nothing is perfect.

A driver's backrest, is also a must, even for short trips. We could not tour, for seven days plus, without one! Also, check if you can get the trunk extenders, yet. They will allow you to move the trunk back further, for more comfort. In the full-back position, you will also find a cavity, between the trunk and the passenger seat, where you can stow items such as a bike cover, rolled up. The cover also provides some support to the passenger's backside/lower back.

When tweaked a bit, these bikes are truly kings of the roadways. After riding 1,935 miles around Superior, on a 1979 750cc bike, the value, and comfort, of the Voyager XII, is a remarkable upgrade. We love riding our XII. We love touring on it: plenty of power, decent braking, decent suspension, comfortable (with tweaks, as mentioned above), and it handles decent, even in inclement weather. We've ridden in plenty of rain, sat out many a downpour too unsafe to ride in. Rode soaking wet, in 55 F weather, at 60 MPH, on the Honda... Suffered hypothermia, had to stop for the day, at 3:30 PM. Been through a lot of unpleasantness on bikes, but the Voyager is an amazing machine, performing well through every crappy situation we've put it, and ourselves, through. Miles of smiles behind us, thousands of miles of smiles ahead of us, God willing! Cheers!

The end round plugs it looks like on end of handlebars are locked. Prolly not unscrewed since installed in 2002 when bike was made lol - I tried to unscrew them even had my friend, who has an 8-pack they will not budge. Gonna try some wd-40 and a drill with screwdriver bit and see if can get them to budge (screw will not turn for my life)

Far as foam grips any u prefer over others, or just go on some motorcycle sites and look up some and see what appeals to me I guess - never used foam grips lol.

Far as the highway pegs he has them installed for passenger plus the floor boards is it called for their rntire foot to sit on :) Far as seat he had custom Long Day seats installed and I have a hugeeeee back rest - very comfy!!! Doubt me nor passenger if I ever get one will ever need any cusioons or beads, this long day seats (installed for me and passenger) are too comfy as is.

Thanks for all the advice

[drtechnology]

+3/whatever on adjusting the cruise control cable tension. This, being loose, will cause multiple weird issues.

Be aware that too tight can cause the cruise to kick off unexpectedly. There's another spec in the manual for adjusting the slack at the throttle.

I also use foam grips on street bikes. They don't last very long, so buy the multi-packs.

I replaced my handlebars, so the stock weights had nothing to screw into. I got expansion-plug weights, about half the size of stock. I'd have kept the stock weights if I could've. But I didn't notice any change in vibrations -- maybe just because the new foam grips worked so well.

Various seat cushions will also help, as well as wooden beads, for a while... Nothing is perfect.

I'm with Cranky on this one: beads over an Air Hawk. I tried many things to avoid springing $80 on an Air Hawk; and there are much cheaper alternatives that probably work just as well. (Interesting politics/backstory there.) But my ass, failing to negotiate terms of surrender, just walked off the field -- I mean, in an act of desperation I had to buy an Air Something on the road just to get home (some 1500 miles away). But this setup roughly tripled my seat time. Actually, more than that because now my ass isn't a limiting factor at all. So I'm nominating it for the "perfect" award.

But I can't imagine riding very far without a backrest. And squishable bags on the back seat didn't do the deed for me.

Likewise, I'm a big fan of VistaCruise throttle locks, especially given how fickle the cruise control can be. I recently did a 2400 mile trip, and the CC failed the day before leaving. The VistaCruise stood in just fine, and not having it would've totally sucked. (But I am looking forward to getting the CC back on line ... again.) However, a word of caution: on my recent trip, I had to hard-brake twice (stupid range cattle in Nevada -- not panic, just hard braking). The first time, the brakes didn't work quite right, and the clutch lever initially acted like a brake lever. This was all a flash (in the middle of a long drone) that confused the hell out of me. But of course, the clutch didn't cancel the VistaCruise. This all became clear in the second flash, when the motor started rapping out. For the second calf, old reflexes in my right thumb came back.

Thanks sir - the cruise control was ok as long as I did not accidentally push back the right throttle (handlebar) a small turn back - I dont think it is broke I think I was just not used to the bike on riding it for as long as I did yet, and when hands got numb, they easily pushed it back cancelling the CC. I will work on this and will adjust handlebars in a day or 2 as noted above on older replies I need to do.

Also as I just replied above - have a custom long day is the company??? (Have to look it up) seat the old owner upgraded to. He replaced mine and passengers seats and mine has a huge back rest! Very comfy no beads or stuff should be needed that I can see - my butt was on seat heaven all the way!

[cranky]

.. if you use an impact driver, the weighs will some right off, no problem,
they just need a few bangs to break'um loose..... Russel Day Long, IIRC

Also beads add 1/2", some goes into what is under it, but there is space, and
the purpose is to allow air flow under you, dry you out... main purpose
is to prevent monkey butt....