turn/signal modification

[ekap1200]

Just wanting some feedback from everyone that may be interested in adding from 1 to 60 seconds on the cancelling time of their turn signals. I am working on a device that would do just that. And all that would be required is to cut one wire and add this unit in series, and connect the modules ground wire to where the oem module is mounted. And also mounting the added module. Detailed instructions and wire connectors would be supplied. It so far is looking to be around 45 dollars plus the $4.90 shipping. It could be less if obtain parts in quantity based on feedback I recieve from everyone. I will be installing one on my bike and testing it soon. but wouldn't be ready to release it until middle of this coming summer after a testing period. Also I would be sending one to Carl Leo for his testing purposes and feedback. Gene Kap.

[jdzimme]

So would it then become a time and distant cancellation or just time? If just time it would cancel at almost every light if it only stayed on for 60 seconds.
I would be interested, depending on the answer from my question.

[ekap1200]

So would it then become a time and distant cancellation or just time? If just time it would cancel at almost every light if it only stayed on for 60 seconds.
I would be interested, depending on the answer from my question.

The service manual states its opperation as follows. When you command left or right with the turn signal switch the cancelling unit waits 4seconds then begins the count of pulses for distance. What my unit will do is just delay when the cancelling unit gets it power to start its sequence. The opperation would remain the same and would not power the release solenoid until the distance pulses are counted.
The unit would measure apx. 1-11/16 X 1-1/16 X 15/16 with three color coded wires leads , one of which would go to ground the other two in series with the cancelling modules W/R wire.

[flip18436572]

Gene,

I am not sure if I want to add more time to it, or just remove that part entirely. You know, go back to the manual mode or turning it on and turning it off. Mine needs a lot more time, and depending upon the idiots behind me, I sometimes start my signaling a little earlier than normal. Mine seems to go off very early and I thought they were all supposed to be the same amount of time or distance, but if it is, I would be signalling a turn after I normally would on a car, or I have to do it at least twice.

It is a good idea, and I think you will probably get some good response from this!!!!

[ekap1200]

Gene,

I am not sure if I want to add more time to it, or just remove that part entirely. You know, go back to the manual mode or turning it on and turning it off. Mine needs a lot more time, and depending upon the idiots behind me, I sometimes start my signaling a little earlier than normal. Mine seems to go off very early and I thought they were all supposed to be the same amount of time or distance, but if it is, I would be signalling a turn after I normally would on a car, or I have to do it at least twice.

It is a good idea, and I think you will probably get some good response from this!!!!

Good point you have, Just do me a favor and the next time you hit the turn/signal on, start counting to 60 sec. that added time added to the modules 4sec- then 50meter ( about 1/10mile ) and it can become quite some distance now. Im looking for feedback on what would be a good time delay in seconds. Let me know, Thanks Gene

[flip18436572]

Gene, I put both of my bikes down for the winter. It is only getting to about 32 - 35 for highs, so I am not riding, plus we have had snow and ice on the roads, so there are patches of ice in the corners. If the temps warm up, I will let you know. For mine, I would need at least another 10 seconds. Are you planning on making it variable for all people or just one setting and hope it works for all?

[ekap1200]

Gene, I put both of my bikes down for the winter. It is only getting to about 32 - 35 for highs, so I am not riding, plus we have had snow and ice on the roads, so there are patches of ice in the corners. If the temps warm up, I will let you know. For mine, I would need at least another 10 seconds. Are you planning on making it variable for all people or just one setting and hope it works for all?

Adjustable, for now 1~60 seconds , but if cost is a big issue a fixed time ,might be a dollar or two cheaper.

[flip18436572]

I think adjustable is the way to go!!!

[chevyman1]

Yes adjustable is the way to go 60 sec is a long time I think that is more then enough time delay.
I would be interested in one also.
I also think it cool how a couple of people on a form come up with these good ideas and work on them until they get them to work.

[ekap1200]

Yes adjustable is the way to go 60 sec is a long time I think that is more then enough time delay.
I would be interested in one also.
I also think it cool how a couple of people on a form come up with these good ideas and work on them until they get them to work.

Here's a quick dwg. of the installation. Wires going down will be 10" leads to the added timer. Getting to the cancel unit will take longer than the actual modification. Pulled mine out tonight and checked the logic using just a manual switch in place of the new (pre-timer) and works as planned. The real deal will be installed next week and further testing will begin, weather permitting.

[Bruce in OK]

I'd be interested.

[twopass]

I want one

[biggersm]

When we still had our XII the turn signals originally worked as designed (in other words after the proper distance they canceled). For whatever reason the function failed to work one day and we were overjoyed (a rather odd emotion to have when something on your motorcycle stops working). All the other speedometer related stuff continued to work as it should (i.e. the cruise control, automatic volume control, etc.). I like being the one who both initiates and cancels my turn signals, regardless of distance traveled or time. I don't know what cause our fortunate misfortune but perhaps this is the most simple mousetrap to build? The angle of the display on the XII is such that if I ever forgot to cancel the turn signals I would notice them flashing on the dash and cancel them before I confused too many folks. When we had our Suzuki Intruder I sometimes would ride for several miles with the signals on! since the gauges with the signal indicators were tank mounted.

Now that we have our Goldwing it is back to constantly stabbing that button every few feet/seconds!

Then again this is Florida and turn signals are rarely used and otherwise confuse the locals so does it really matter anyway?

[VoyKimmer]

I would be interested.

[ekap1200]

When we still had our XII the turn signals originally worked as designed (in other words after the proper distance they canceled). For whatever reason the function failed to work one day and we were overjoyed (a rather odd emotion to have when something on your motorcycle stops working). All the other speedometer related stuff continued to work as it should (i.e. the cruise control, automatic volume control, etc.). I like being the one who both initiates and cancels my turn signals, regardless of distance traveled or time. I don't know what cause our fortunate misfortune but perhaps this is the most simple mousetrap to build? The angle of the display on the XII is such that if I ever forgot to cancel the turn signals I would notice them flashing on the dash and cancel them before I confused too many folks. When we had our Suzuki Intruder I sometimes would ride for several miles with the signals on! since the gauges with the signal indicators were tank mounted.

Now that we have our Goldwing it is back to constantly stabbing that button every few feet/seconds!

Then again this is Florida and turn signals are rarely used and otherwise confuse the locals so does it really matter anyway?

Very true, Always a joy to drive in Fla. One question now that you have a goldwing. Do you think the wing crowd would like to extend their time to cancel ?

[David (N. Alabama)]

Very true, Always a joy to drive in Fla. One question now that you have a goldwing. Do you think the wing crowd would like to extend their time to cancel ?

Hey Ekap1200, if you want to market your device to a wider audience you might want to look at the possibility of making the installation such that no wires need to be clipped. Many are not comfortable modifying the stock wiring. Is it possible to get at the desired wire at the nearest connector where you can just unplug that connector and then plug your device in-line?

[flip18436572]

David makes a really good point. I put a 2" receiver on my wifes 2008 Jeep and bought a premade wiring harness that made the entire installation less than 30 minutes. The wiring was plug and done. It took longer to take out the tail light assembly than it did to put the wiring in and zip tie it out of the way.

[ekap1200]

Very true, Always a joy to drive in Fla. One question now that you have a goldwing. Do you think the wing crowd would like to extend their time to cancel ?

Hey Ekap1200, if you want to market your device to a wider audience you might want to look at the possibility of making the installation such that no wires need to be clipped. Many are not comfortable modifying the stock wiring. Is it possible to get at the desired wire at the nearest connector where you can just unplug that connector and then plug your device in-line?

Unfortunatally getting to any plug requires pulling the left side cowl. Both ; for the plugs, for the signal SW, and T/cancel unit. Either way you have to remove plastic. Getting to the stanley canceling unit is not all that bad if one feels ok with pulling the windshield and other items required to get at the plug for the unit. I think most of us here can do it. Then there is the question of where to aquire the oem male and female plugs,pins and the added cost of the wire; to wire in a jumper harness , just for one wire. Your really not making changes to the bikes harness, Just the STANLEY cancel unit. Carl has plenty of them in stock that I could purchace.. and I could on request, do the splice required and request a core return on the units. But now thats an added shipping cost. But I feel that if one has the ability to get to this unit, its simple to cut and splice into one wire. Its getting to the unit that some may have an issue with. The cancel module only has about 4 inchs of wire up to its plug. I'm not looking at making a profit on these units theres not much demand and I wanted to just offer this being a member. If I do the install , Yes, then there is my normal hourly rate and I can gain a profit. For those members that wanted to completely disable this cancel feature, just unplug it , it has no effect ; other than to cancel.
I'm waiting on ups today and will have some photos of install posted soon.
Didn't get much feedback on how much would one would be willing to pay for plug/play.
Gene Kap.
May even apply a 60 sec delay/timer to the headlamp/relay for when I start the bike.

[Chris near Kansas City]

Put me down as interested.

[ekap1200]

Hello from a chilly southern NJ. At a brisk 35deg. today, perfect riding day ! I Finally got the unit tweaked in for time/adj. Its darn cold out but I couldn't resist.
On the road the added time delay adds 1/10 of a mile. It took three adjustments out on the road to tweak the adj. and that is why I installed it where shown. Two screws to remove the left/front turn lamp and you can access the adjustment knob. Went 48miles round trip using the signals as often as I could. So now the distance when exiting a highway is 2/10 of a mile;verses 1/10,
and the standard time/distance if you apply your signal at a trafic light. Took every exit ramp I came upon and didn't have to apply the signals a second time. Any longer of a time delay/distance doesn't give good results when passing a single car out on the highway. It works out to be around a 5~6 second delay. Here are some pics.
And yes my fingers were a bit numb when I got back......








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