No cruise, horn, or radio

[joemaniaci]

Got it all put back together and running.

Cruise turns on, just can't set it. Radio just seeks and seeks, can't even hear static, but it also turns on. Hort doesn't work. What are the first things to look for?

Thanks.

[debron]

Fuses first. The radio has two inline fuses behind the headlight in addition to the fuse in the main fuse panel. Then wire connections. Note that the cruise sets only in 5th gear at a speed greater than. . . . 40/45 (?? Somewhere in that range. )

[joemaniaci]

Fuses first. The radio has two inline fuses behind the headlight in addition to the fuse in the main fuse panel. Then wire connections. Note that the cruise sets only in 5th gear at a speed greater than. . . . 40/45 (?? Somewhere in that range. )

I assumed something like that for the cruise, but I was doing 65 in 5th. Is it just the one fuse box near the ignition? Or are there more?

[triton28]

For the cruise it sounds as though either the power is not getting to the actuator, check ALL connections, there is also a relay for the cruise circuit up behind the headlight. It is the single relay next to the 3 pack of relays, but since you have power at the cruise switch I don't think it would be the relay.
Or, the cable from the actuator to the carbs is way out of adjustment/possibly unhooked/broken, check.
Yes that is the main fuse box. As Debron mentioned, there are 2 additional radio fuses in the headlight rear area. The 1 amp is for radio memory when shut off and the 3 amp is the main radio power fuse. Also there is an oft forgotten fuse on the radio amplifier, 7.5 amps.
The horn could be bad connections either in the handlebar switch, it's connector to the main harness, or at the horns themselves. Although since neither horn works I would rule out the last item.
Just a couple of things I thought of,
Dave

[triton28]

Oh yeah, the seek problem: check the handlebar/passenger controls for a stuck seek rocker button.
Dave

[chevyman1]

Oh yeah, the seek problem: check the handlebar/passenger controls for a stuck seek rocker button.
Dave

You might just want to unplug the passenger unit to troubleshoot that will tell you if the problem is there or not

[suzib6sw]

For the Radio, either a stuck button, or more likely, you forgot to hook up the antenna again or a broken antenna wire , probably at the base of the antenna..
Prove by unplugging antenna at radio ( if indeed its connected and poking a wire in there.. It should pick up something..
Lastly, VERY unlikely, the H/M scan button on the radio by the LCD is stuck..

[joemaniaci]

Fuses all look good, assuming they would have blown up top where I can see.

Turns out the radio does work. If I scan in AM, it finds a station. If I scan in FM it finds nothing. If I manually move through frequencies in FM, I hear nothing. If I manually move through frequencies in AM, I at least get the kind of static one would expect.

The volume control on the radio itself doesn't work, but the volume controls on the handlebars do.

Will take apart the horn switch and go from there. Will also look at my rear brake cruise control sensor since I took the sensor and control off to do the clutch, so I am assuming I screwed something up there.

[suzib6sw]

The lack of FM but working AM means the FM tuner pack is faulty.. (Semi common fault)
The Volume control on the front of the radio is not an actual volume control..

The correct way to set the radio up is:

Unless you are using a headset, turn the two left controls (inner and outer) to min. You dont neeed them, they are for the intercom/CB/mic ONLY.
If you do use a headset, the inner left controls the mic volume in your headset and the outer left controls the amount and duration of fade of radio music when you speak to your passenger.

With the bike stationary, turn the outer RIGHT control to about 2PM. this sets the max volume OVER 30mph.
Turn the inner right to max to give you maximum treble. There is no bass adjustment.
When it works correctly., set the handlebar volume to 2 or 3 blocks on the LCD . This sets the max volume UNDER 30mph.
With these settings, unless you have the front or rear mute button pressed or are wearing ear plugs, you should be able to hear the radio very well up up to 100mph (ahem)

Now.. the FM tuner pack is a radio out and send it to me job im afraid.. There is nothing else you can do to fix it.
Contact me either in a pm , email or call the number in my SIG or click on the link in my sig below..
Cheers..

Pete

[joemaniaci]

Well I guess for my trip I'll get to enjoy the far right and alien radio shows.

So has no one just retrofitted a car stereo into it?

[suzib6sw]

Yes, BUT you loose auto speed adjust, intercom, and handlebar controls and water resistance.
Its cheaper to repair your existing one.. I can do that for you.. just call the number in my sig line.

If you look at the Tech tips forum, you will see my latest mods to the radio :-)
I am still experimenting with a car radio option. One problem is the slot is barely tall enough for a radio without the sleeve. I am also testing a steering wheel control option to use with it but we are talking the cost of the radio, steering wheel controls, plugs and sockets to make it as much a plug'n'play change as possible.
I have been using a JVC mechless (no CD player but full multimedia card/flash reader) option .. But with the option I have added to the stock radio, whats the point?...

http://www.amervoyassoc.org/forum/viewt ... f=3&t=8092

cheers..
Pete

[joemaniaci]

Yes, BUT you loose auto speed adjust, intercom, and handlebar controls and water resistance.
Its cheaper to repair your existing one.. I can do that for you.. just call the number in my sig line.

If you look at the Tech tips forum, you will see my latest mods to the radio :-)
I am still experimenting with a car radio option. One problem is the slot is barely tall enough for a radio without the sleeve. I am also testing a steering wheel control option to use with it but we are talking the cost of the radio, steering wheel controls, plugs and sockets to make it as much a plug'n'play change as possible.
I have been using a JVC mechless (no CD player but full multimedia card/flash reader) option .. But with the option I have added to the stock radio, whats the point?...

http://www.amervoyassoc.org/forum/viewt ... f=3&t=8092

cheers..
Pete

Car receivers have auto speed adjust too, I don't use the intercom and you could go with a marine unit for weather.

http://mobile.jvc.com/product.jsp?model ... 208&page=1

This one is even made to be used with a remote control that could be mounted in place of the controls.

I don't know, it's hard to spend money on something knowing spare parts are becoming more and more scarce.

EDIT: Looking at marine receivers, it looks like a lot of them are designed to be used with a wired remote control. Meaning you can just cut the wires from the handle controls and install them into whatever connector is used to plug in the remote control on the back of the receiver.

Hhhmmmmmmmmmm

[suzib6sw]

Car receivers have auto speed adjust too, I don't use the intercom and you could go with a marine unit for weather.

http://mobile.jvc.com/product.jsp?model ... 208&page=1

This one is even made to be used with a remote control that could be mounted in place of the controls.

I don't know, it's hard to spend money on something knowing spare parts are becoming more and more scarce.

EDIT: Looking at marine receivers, it looks like a lot of them are designed to be used with a wired remote control. Meaning you can just cut the wires from the handle controls and install them into whatever connector is used to plug in the remote control on the back of the receiver.

Hhhmmmmmmmmmm

I agree that there were some radios that had auto speed/volume adjust but finding one that has everything else that's wanted is almost impossible..
If you happen to find one, then you run into the problem of how it detects the speed increase and will it be exactly the same as the way the voyager works and if not, how much modification is required to get it compatible.. Certainly not a show stopper but..

As to the remote controls on marine radios.. I wish it was as easy as chopping wires and splicing into the harness. The Marine radios I have checked out including Clarion, Pyle, Kenwood, JVC, Sony, Phillips, Boss, all use a decoder to sense the different voltages required for each button being pushed. Cutting and splicing wont work as the Voyager basically shorts to ground and these radios detect different voltages, so you would have to continue to use the "optional" at $50-$120+ remote control strapped to the handlebars somewhere.. While that would work, its starting to get messy.. While some also have infra red remote controls, mounting a PAC remote control with IR led in such a way that it will work in bright sunlight, is not easy without again, starting to look messy.

Believe me, I have looked.. Kenwood was the only Marine radio so far that will allow a "steering wheel" remote control which I CAN use with the handlebar control but it doesnt have bluetooth.

Kudos on finding this JVC!.. It appears to be a newcomer and it looks very promising. Its appears to be a new version of the KD-X50/80 which i already use for Pam's Harley. Im sorely tempted to get one to replace hers as the KD-x50 is not a marine spec and as its on a Softtail heritage with a clip on windshield, its subject to the elements.


So.. when you look at it in reality, the only part of the Clarion PK9090V thats now extremely hard to get is the LCD displays.. I have loads of other spares, most of which have alternate supply sources. Its much easier to modify something that already works with the bike, that riders are used to, that is a 28 year old proven design and that doesnt cost an arm and a leg in time or money to install.

I guess Im a bit of a snob when it comes to installing other stuff on my pride and joy so I want the installation to look good.. I have mounted a car radio on a spare clocks and radio console I have for the voyager. I had to use some home made brackets to secure it and need to figure out a good method of filling in the gaps either side of the radio now. Lexan is one option, sprayed matt black on the back surface. This would allow a voltmeter or other goodies to be mounted too.

So.. Replacing the clarion will go something like..
New Radio = $130+
Remote control module = $90
Brackets and hardware =$20
Kit of plugs and adapters to make it more or less plug and play, $30

Time involved for an end user to remove and install a "kit" of bits 3-6 hours conservatively.
Time getting for someone (say me) to work out the harness connections and resistor values , need for the remote module, mounting brackets and blanking plates etc, make plug adapters= realistically, 2 days

End result... Nice 21st century equipment but potentially expensive..

Having spoken to several add motorcycle add on radio manufacturers, then comes the question of , do I supply the radio and remote module? Who supports the warranty?
I dont have time to deal with all of that as this is my hobby, not my business :-)

Thanks again for finding this JVC.. Excellent!!

For the time being, I'll stick to my PK9090V with all its features and its now 21 century functions, but as technology changes so quickly... Watch this space.. :-)

Cheers..
Pete

[joemaniaci]

Car receivers have auto speed adjust too, I don't use the intercom and you could go with a marine unit for weather.

http://mobile.jvc.com/product.jsp?model ... 208&page=1

This one is even made to be used with a remote control that could be mounted in place of the controls.

I don't know, it's hard to spend money on something knowing spare parts are becoming more and more scarce.

EDIT: Looking at marine receivers, it looks like a lot of them are designed to be used with a wired remote control. Meaning you can just cut the wires from the handle controls and install them into whatever connector is used to plug in the remote control on the back of the receiver.

Hhhmmmmmmmmmm

I agree that there were some radios that had auto speed/volume adjust but finding one that has everything else that's wanted is almost impossible..
If you happen to find one, then you run into the problem of how it detects the speed increase and will it be exactly the same as the way the voyager works and if not, how much modification is required to get it compatible.. Certainly not a show stopper but..

As to the remote controls on marine radios.. I wish it was as easy as chopping wires and splicing into the harness. The Marine radios I have checked out including Clarion, Pyle, Kenwood, JVC, Sony, Phillips, Boss, all use a decoder to sense the different voltages required for each button being pushed. Cutting and splicing wont work as the Voyager basically shorts to ground and these radios detect different voltages, so you would have to continue to use the "optional" at $50-$120+ remote control strapped to the handlebars somewhere.. While that would work, its starting to get messy.. While some also have infra red remote controls, mounting a PAC remote control with IR led in such a way that it will work in bright sunlight, is not easy without again, starting to look messy.

Believe me, I have looked.. Kenwood was the only Marine radio so far that will allow a "steering wheel" remote control which I CAN use with the handlebar control but it doesnt have bluetooth.

Kudos on finding this JVC!.. It appears to be a newcomer and it looks very promising. Its appears to be a new version of the KD-X50/80 which i already use for Pam's Harley. Im sorely tempted to get one to replace hers as the KD-x50 is not a marine spec and as its on a Softtail heritage with a clip on windshield, its subject to the elements.


So.. when you look at it in reality, the only part of the Clarion PK9090V thats now extremely hard to get is the LCD displays.. I have loads of other spares, most of which have alternate supply sources. Its much easier to modify something that already works with the bike, that riders are used to, that is a 28 year old proven design and that doesnt cost an arm and a leg in time or money to install.

I guess Im a bit of a snob when it comes to installing other stuff on my pride and joy so I want the installation to look good.. I have mounted a car radio on a spare clocks and radio console I have for the voyager. I had to use some home made brackets to secure it and need to figure out a good method of filling in the gaps either side of the radio now. Lexan is one option, sprayed matt black on the back surface. This would allow a voltmeter or other goodies to be mounted too.

So.. Replacing the clarion will go something like..
New Radio = $130+
Remote control module = $90
Brackets and hardware =$20
Kit of plugs and adapters to make it more or less plug and play, $30

Time involved for an end user to remove and install a "kit" of bits 3-6 hours conservatively.
Time getting for someone (say me) to work out the harness connections and resistor values , need for the remote module, mounting brackets and blanking plates etc, make plug adapters= realistically, 2 days

End result... Nice 21st century equipment but potentially expensive..

Having spoken to several add motorcycle add on radio manufacturers, then comes the question of , do I supply the radio and remote module? Who supports the warranty?
I dont have time to deal with all of that as this is my hobby, not my business :-)

Thanks again for finding this JVC.. Excellent!!

For the time being, I'll stick to my PK9090V with all its features and its now 21 century functions, but as technology changes so quickly... Watch this space.. :-)

Cheers..
Pete

Well it would definitely be something I would want to experiment with as well.

In terms of the remote controls, what you could do is use the actual remote control, but splice the Voyagers two lines for each button, into the two electrical connectors that the actual remote control buttons short when pressed.

If not, I know enough EE to figure out voltage dividers.

Something to do over the Colorado winter.

Oh yeh, and I would definitely utilize 3d printers for a cover/ main body.