Voyager country of origin.

[ghostler]

Regarding lack of complications is why I liked my venerable 1986 Suzuki LS650 Savage. It was an air cooled single with only one carburetor gravity fed from tank, can't get any simpler. Perhaps that is why it still lives on as the S-40 Boulevard.

Yamaha dropped it and is bringing it back, but the 2018 Star Venture is a 113-cubic-inch (1854cc) air-cooled OHV V-twin weighing 963 lbs. (heavy), so you're right Mr Jensee.

https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/trans ... ar-venture

Engine appears to have a small radiator, may be supplemental oil cooling.



Certainly have no complaints about my XII, the lighter weight, zippy acceleration and lack of engine heat on legs and feet especially during stops are pluses.

[voyager55]

BMW Sales are not falling

http://bmwmcmag.com/2017/04/bmw-motorra ... rter-2017/

I've had a Royal Star Venture and a Tour Deluxe. Their V4 I'd say has more power than the XII does although it is not as smooth. The BMW K1600GTL has an inline 6 and their resale values plummet. I've seen 2012s between 8000 and 10,000 dollars. I'm going with a buddy to look at one for him today. Also the new 2018 Venture looks to have plenty of power even though it has a v-twin.

And as you can see by your reply that the BMW is an exception. The Royal Star Venture is being phased out, mostly due to it's extreme weight for it's displacement. The reason the sales of the BMW are falling is not because it is an inline 6 but the fact that BMW's are overly complicated motorcycles. I know because I have a friend who owns one. Just adjusting the radio on it is a major affair. The more complicated a motorcycle is the less likely the owner is going to be able to functionally work on it. And by the way there is just so much advancement you can do to a V twin to increase power. It is mostly done with displacement increases and that increases weight.

[ghostler]

BMW Sales are not falling

http://bmwmcmag.com/2017/04/bmw-motorra ... rter-2017/

Could be regionalized. Appears outside North America, sales are doing well. Canadian sales softened, US did not report.

Germany still remains the strongest single market with 5,824 units (+2.8 %) followed by France and Italy. In Central and South America, BMW Motorrad has increased sales by 13.3 % to 3,890 units sold. In a distant second place for global sales, is the BMW R1200RT. BMW Motorrad Canada reported March sales of 170 units, a decrease of 23.8% compared to March, 2016. That puts sales down 14.6% through the first quarter. The R1200GSA, R1200GS and F700GS were the top sellers in Canada in March. Once again, BMW Motorrad USA did not report sales numbers for March.

You'd think that if USA had an increase, they would have reported it. All I know is years ago, one would see a good showing of BMW's nearly everywhere. Now I see one here or there, but there isn't the proliferation that used to be. Might be also where I live bordering Texas Panhandle. You go to a motorcycle rally. You see 100 Harleys and may be 30 others.

[Mr Jensee]

I've had a couple of friends who have ridden their Yamaha Royal Star Ventures for a few years. Both have opted to put them up for sale because in their own words, the bike is extremely heavy and hard to maneuver in stop and go traffic. On the road the bike is terrific. Both of these guys are taller better built than I am. My other friend who sold his Goldwing 1500 in favor of the BMW bought his to do long distance touring for him and his wife. Another former co-worker uses his BMW 1600 exclusively for long distance touring. To date he has ridden it to several states including Washington, DC.

If there is one thing I can say about my Voyager XII is that it is just as easy to maneuver is traffic as it is on the open highway. My strength has been failing me over the last two years and I can still ride it with confidence that when I stop I can hold it up without a problem. When the day comes I can't I will sell her. It will be a sad day indeed.

[voyager55]

When that day comes get a trike

[Mr Jensee]

I think when that day comes I am just going to give it up all together. On a retirement income I wont be able to convert her into a trike and I certainly cant afford to buy one out right. Motorcycling has been my longest lasting passion. However I am finding out more and more that passions can and do wear out.

[keithert]

I had an old Ural sidecar rig from 14-16. If I could not hold a motorcycle upright I would get another sidecar rig. I'm only 50 years old so I won't need to for awhile for strength reasons but the Ural was a blast to ride. I would do one over a trike.

I had a Royal Star Venture from 99-03. It was a bit hard to maneuver at slow speed but not terrible. I have a Royal Star Tour Deluxe (Venture platform without windshield or trunk). It is much easier at low speed than the Venture was. The reason I bought the Voyager was that my family wanted a more comfortable back seat. I tested a Venture and the Voyager and the Voyager was more comfortable for them and it was also less expensive.