Headlight Recommendations
Moderators: the2knights, Highway Rider
-
- Newbie
- Posts: 4
- Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:26 pm
- 6
- Current bike(s): 2000 Voyager XII
- Has liked: 0
- Been liked: 0
Headlight Recommendations
Hello Everyone,
I'm new to the AVA and was urged to join by a fella named Gene K over in Jersey. My favorite time to ride is evenings but my eyesight is not great anymore and to be frank the Headlamp on my 2000 Voyager Sucks. The beam is so spread out it doesn't illuminate any part of the road effectively. I would prefer a more focused beam. Can anyone recommend better alternatives. With the Fairing there isn't a whole lot of room for driving lamps and I haven't found a suitable replacement for the stock rectangle head lamp. I have just replaced the Wind Screen with a new from Slip Streamer and got one 5" shorter which seems about right for me and that has helped but I still need to throw a bunch more Lumens out in front.
I'm new to the AVA and was urged to join by a fella named Gene K over in Jersey. My favorite time to ride is evenings but my eyesight is not great anymore and to be frank the Headlamp on my 2000 Voyager Sucks. The beam is so spread out it doesn't illuminate any part of the road effectively. I would prefer a more focused beam. Can anyone recommend better alternatives. With the Fairing there isn't a whole lot of room for driving lamps and I haven't found a suitable replacement for the stock rectangle head lamp. I have just replaced the Wind Screen with a new from Slip Streamer and got one 5" shorter which seems about right for me and that has helped but I still need to throw a bunch more Lumens out in front.
- Nails
- King of the Road
- Posts: 1771
- Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:37 pm
- 7
- Current bike(s): '97 XII
'00 XT350
'85 KLR 250
'82 Silverwing Sushiguzzi - Location: New Mexico Rockies
- Has liked: 228 times
- Been liked: 602 times
Re: Headlight Recommendations
I doubt it's feasible to replace the headlamp assembly with anything that isn't kinda goofy. But you can sure replace the bulb. I got an LED bulb yesterday but don't have it in yet. You can get practically any brightness you want, starting from about legal to way not-legal. I got a 30W bulb, primarily because it has a color < 6500K. Another option is auxiliary lights, mounted on the lower crash bars or a bracket thingy that goes on the forks.
IMHO, it's simpler to just get an LED bulb that works for you and isn't too illegal, rather than fuss with extraneous complexity and weight. I understand the line between legal and extra-legal is fuzzy, generally proved by whether you got a ticket or not. I also think judicious use of the headlight adjuster would keep on the right side of marginal.
And how is Gene taking his vacation?
IMHO, it's simpler to just get an LED bulb that works for you and isn't too illegal, rather than fuss with extraneous complexity and weight. I understand the line between legal and extra-legal is fuzzy, generally proved by whether you got a ticket or not. I also think judicious use of the headlight adjuster would keep on the right side of marginal.
And how is Gene taking his vacation?
--
Nails
Nails
- Mr Jensee
- King of the Road
- Posts: 1987
- Joined: Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:55 pm
- 15
- Current bike(s): Phone 337-781-8158
Home Phone disconnected.
Previous bikes. Yamaha 180, Honda CM200T, Suzuki 1000LNKawasaki ZRX1100. - Location: Lafayette, La
- Has liked: 0
- Been liked: 9 times
Re: Headlight Recommendations
I suggest mounting some driving lights (LED) on the frame braces. They work well for me. Very Very Bright. Wired them to the high beams only but will light the entire road at night. Bought them on Amazon very cheap and also ordered the relay and the switch from them. Brand name is Cree. Check this out. [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE-CeRtAtzM[/video]
For Voyager XII Manuals click the link below.
https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ao3K0Ai2gvglgS3l7J4pBJrjfBhc
https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ao3K0Ai2gvglgS3l7J4pBJrjfBhc
-
- Newbie
- Posts: 4
- Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:26 pm
- 6
- Current bike(s): 2000 Voyager XII
- Has liked: 0
- Been liked: 0
Re: Headlight Recommendations
I think I'll go with both suggestions. Mr J where did you get those matching clamp mounts? and Nails or anyone else please chime in, there's tons of LED's out there can anyone recommend a brand name or source?
I bought new a '06 Vulcan 900 Classic and rode from NY to Florida 3 times and I began to yearn for more Ponies, When this Voyager came available for $1500.00 it took me only seconds to say yes to the offer. A new Saddle and windscreen were the first items on the list now I'm working on the lighting then it's on to wobbly Forks.
I just wanna say this inline 4 sure is smooth compared to a V-Twin. The guy I purchased from knew I wanted the bike so when he got a Goldwing I got first crack at it.
I bought new a '06 Vulcan 900 Classic and rode from NY to Florida 3 times and I began to yearn for more Ponies, When this Voyager came available for $1500.00 it took me only seconds to say yes to the offer. A new Saddle and windscreen were the first items on the list now I'm working on the lighting then it's on to wobbly Forks.
I just wanna say this inline 4 sure is smooth compared to a V-Twin. The guy I purchased from knew I wanted the bike so when he got a Goldwing I got first crack at it.
- Nails
- King of the Road
- Posts: 1771
- Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:37 pm
- 7
- Current bike(s): '97 XII
'00 XT350
'85 KLR 250
'82 Silverwing Sushiguzzi - Location: New Mexico Rockies
- Has liked: 228 times
- Been liked: 602 times
Re: Headlight Recommendations
> there's tons of LED's out there can anyone recommend a brand name or source?
It's a rapidly evolving market, so there may not be a lot of consensus. Some don't like fans because they aren't very protected from water. I got a fan anyway, and stuck in an awning of sorts made of Gorilla tape. Some think the light color is important, and I looked for <6500K. And of course, there's the wattage savings -- although I have no idea what I'll do with the extra electrical capacity I now have. And the long life. But for me, the actual brightness came further down the list.
I mean, what's not to like about a $16 bulb? (I did have to extrapolate from the wiring diagram.)
I also wanted a simple recommendation. But I ended up buying a bulb pretty much on a whim. I think it's hard to go wrong, especially if you're hip to minor hacks on the wiring -- you will need to disable the reserve lighting unit.
> A new Saddle and windscreen were the first items on the list
I'm happy with a sheepskin under a bead unit. (I got the sheepskin free, and the beads are like $15.) Besides being a cheapskate (I can reach into my pocket and pull out the exact change), I'm also not particularly fussy about seats.
I'm scamming somebody (shush -- he's from here) out of a spare windshield that I intend to cut down to about nuthin'. Or, as I prefer to look at it, I'm installing a very efficient vent along the top of the windshield. I hope to put my head and shoulders into clean, turbulent-free air -- just don't need no stinkin' fat windshield. (But I'm not so sure that I want to cut up my own windshield ;)
> it's on to wobbly Forks.
I'm with you on this one. First off, get the right pressure in tires and any air suspension -- XII are very sensitive to this. Get one of those bearing tools from your pal Gene, and tighten the headset bearings (most seem to be loose). Change the fork oil. Dump the air forks for Progressive springs. Especially do both of those things if your fork seals leak. And fergawdsakes get rid of any Dunlop 404 front tires.
If you have the air shocks, change the oil in them. (I'm sure mine were original.) Some of us use Dextron VI, which seems to work swell in these bikes -- front and back.
Sounds like you got a much better deal than I did. I've been fussing with mine for 18 months. But I'm fine with that because it's turning out swell. And it's most definitely mine, given all the customization.
Talking about deals better than I got: https://fortcollins.craigslist.org/mcy/ ... 15253.html (Are those Cobras?)
Cheers!
It's a rapidly evolving market, so there may not be a lot of consensus. Some don't like fans because they aren't very protected from water. I got a fan anyway, and stuck in an awning of sorts made of Gorilla tape. Some think the light color is important, and I looked for <6500K. And of course, there's the wattage savings -- although I have no idea what I'll do with the extra electrical capacity I now have. And the long life. But for me, the actual brightness came further down the list.
I mean, what's not to like about a $16 bulb? (I did have to extrapolate from the wiring diagram.)
I also wanted a simple recommendation. But I ended up buying a bulb pretty much on a whim. I think it's hard to go wrong, especially if you're hip to minor hacks on the wiring -- you will need to disable the reserve lighting unit.
> A new Saddle and windscreen were the first items on the list
I'm happy with a sheepskin under a bead unit. (I got the sheepskin free, and the beads are like $15.) Besides being a cheapskate (I can reach into my pocket and pull out the exact change), I'm also not particularly fussy about seats.
I'm scamming somebody (shush -- he's from here) out of a spare windshield that I intend to cut down to about nuthin'. Or, as I prefer to look at it, I'm installing a very efficient vent along the top of the windshield. I hope to put my head and shoulders into clean, turbulent-free air -- just don't need no stinkin' fat windshield. (But I'm not so sure that I want to cut up my own windshield ;)
> it's on to wobbly Forks.
I'm with you on this one. First off, get the right pressure in tires and any air suspension -- XII are very sensitive to this. Get one of those bearing tools from your pal Gene, and tighten the headset bearings (most seem to be loose). Change the fork oil. Dump the air forks for Progressive springs. Especially do both of those things if your fork seals leak. And fergawdsakes get rid of any Dunlop 404 front tires.
If you have the air shocks, change the oil in them. (I'm sure mine were original.) Some of us use Dextron VI, which seems to work swell in these bikes -- front and back.
Sounds like you got a much better deal than I did. I've been fussing with mine for 18 months. But I'm fine with that because it's turning out swell. And it's most definitely mine, given all the customization.
Talking about deals better than I got: https://fortcollins.craigslist.org/mcy/ ... 15253.html (Are those Cobras?)
Cheers!
--
Nails
Nails
- Mr Jensee
- King of the Road
- Posts: 1987
- Joined: Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:55 pm
- 15
- Current bike(s): Phone 337-781-8158
Home Phone disconnected.
Previous bikes. Yamaha 180, Honda CM200T, Suzuki 1000LNKawasaki ZRX1100. - Location: Lafayette, La
- Has liked: 0
- Been liked: 9 times
Re: Headlight Recommendations
The clamps and the lights, the relay and the switches are all available on Amazon.com. The clamps I bought are 1" I believe. Measure your braces to make sure. You can get everything for only about $50 or less.
For Voyager XII Manuals click the link below.
https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ao3K0Ai2gvglgS3l7J4pBJrjfBhc
https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ao3K0Ai2gvglgS3l7J4pBJrjfBhc
-
- Traveler
- Posts: 103
- Joined: Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:35 pm
- 9
- Current bike(s): 1986 Kawasaki Voyager XII ZG1200
- Location: Cheektowaga, NY
- Has liked: 0
- Been liked: 0
Re: Headlight Recommendations
I have a LED headlight bulb in my bike (plugs in the factory plug) and I have a pair of led fog lights mounted on the front crash bars. They are angled slightly outwards and up a hair so that when I ride at night, in the country, I have a better view of the fields and woods.
Easy to install and lights up the night amazingly.
Easy to install and lights up the night amazingly.
-
- Newbie
- Posts: 4
- Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:26 pm
- 6
- Current bike(s): 2000 Voyager XII
- Has liked: 0
- Been liked: 0
Re: Headlight Recommendations
I'm not sure how even to ask my questions but yes I want to go with an LED Headlight bulb but how many watts and is one brand name above the rest? I don't want to buy a bunch of bulbs just to find one that works. Part of what My problem is that the beam is spread wide and doesn't project far enough ahead for me to even negotiate curves at night simply because I can't see far enough ahead. I think that's a function of the Lens that's stock on the bike and it is a odd shape so the only fix I see is to a. put aux driving lights on the crash bars and b. I'm thinking of buying a rectangular LED Headlight to mount directly under the Fairing below the existing headlight but I don't want to make the bike look goofy with mismatched hardware.
If my eyes were younger this probably wouldn't be so much of an issue but I have to make do with what I have.
If my eyes were younger this probably wouldn't be so much of an issue but I have to make do with what I have.
- Nails
- King of the Road
- Posts: 1771
- Joined: Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:37 pm
- 7
- Current bike(s): '97 XII
'00 XT350
'85 KLR 250
'82 Silverwing Sushiguzzi - Location: New Mexico Rockies
- Has liked: 228 times
- Been liked: 602 times
Re: Headlight Recommendations
> how many watts
I got 30W. Probably want to look at lumens, though. Honestly, I don't think you can go wrong except buying one that's too bright and gonna get you tickets.
> is one brand name above the rest? I don't want to buy a bunch of bulbs just to find one that works.
You want an H4 bulb. Brand shouldn't matter to "work". I don't see a lot differentiating the market besides color and whether it uses a fan.
But some plug into the stock socket. Mine didn't, so I had to hack into the wiring. No big deal that, though.
> I can't see far enough ahead.
Sounds to me that you just want a brighter light. The "focus" probably doesn't really have anything to do with it. And you want to see the deer, too.
> If my eyes were younger this probably wouldn't be so much of an issue but I have to make do with what I have.
I think you're making this too complicated. LED headlights are brighter. For less than $20 you can see what I mean. (You still need to disable the Reserve Lighting Unit, though.)
I got 30W. Probably want to look at lumens, though. Honestly, I don't think you can go wrong except buying one that's too bright and gonna get you tickets.
> is one brand name above the rest? I don't want to buy a bunch of bulbs just to find one that works.
You want an H4 bulb. Brand shouldn't matter to "work". I don't see a lot differentiating the market besides color and whether it uses a fan.
But some plug into the stock socket. Mine didn't, so I had to hack into the wiring. No big deal that, though.
> I can't see far enough ahead.
Sounds to me that you just want a brighter light. The "focus" probably doesn't really have anything to do with it. And you want to see the deer, too.
> If my eyes were younger this probably wouldn't be so much of an issue but I have to make do with what I have.
I think you're making this too complicated. LED headlights are brighter. For less than $20 you can see what I mean. (You still need to disable the Reserve Lighting Unit, though.)
--
Nails
Nails
- SgtSlag
- King of the Road
- Posts: 1057
- Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:04 pm
- 14
- Current bike(s): 1993 Voyager XII (2010)
(2006-2012: 1979 Honda CB750K)
(2008-2010: 1983 Kawasaki 440LTD, belt drive) - Location: Minnesota
- Has liked: 23 times
- Been liked: 238 times
Re: Headlight Recommendations
Be careful on the temperature rating of the bulb: 3,000K is like a yellow, incandescent bulb you grew up with, in the 1970's; 4,000K is called, "Daylight", with a slight bluish tint to it; 5,000K-6,000K, is much more blue in color, and looks off, to me.
For Lumens, here is an excerpt from Wikipedia: "the H7 (55 W @ 12.0 V, 1500 lm ±10% @ 13.2 V), H8 (35 W @ 12.0 V, 800 lm ±15% @ 13.2 V), H9 (65 W @ 12.0 V, 2100 lm ±10% @ 13.2 V), and H11 (55 W @ 12.0 V, 1350 lm ±10% @ 13.2 V)"; "the H4 (60/55 W @ 12 V, 1650/1000 lm" . These are the standard Lumen (lm) outputs. When you shop for an LED bulb, check its color temperature (4,000K to 5,000K is good), and its light output (Lumens/lm should be greater than 1,650/1,000 lm, which is standard for the installed H4 bulb...).
Avoid fans on the bulbs! Fans will clog up with dirt on the road, and fail, causing the LED bulb to overheat, and burn out prematurely... Get one with silver braided loops of copper wire on the back: they're a heat sink, dissipating excessive heat from the LED, without moving parts which can clog up, and fail.
I would recommend installing a set of driving LED lamps on the crash bars for improved conspicuity, first, and foremost! They will create a triangle of lights, as seen on train locomotives. They did a study, and the triangle of lights allows people to accurately gauge your approach speed. They come in various colors (again, 4,000K-5,000K is good), as well as Lumens (the higher the Lumens, the higher the Wattage; don't overload the alternator!), but something to light up the roadway, at night, would be in the 1,000 lm range, per light. Their reach may not be far, so shop carefully for LED's that will reach out far enough, as well as having enough brightness. Cheers!
For Lumens, here is an excerpt from Wikipedia: "the H7 (55 W @ 12.0 V, 1500 lm ±10% @ 13.2 V), H8 (35 W @ 12.0 V, 800 lm ±15% @ 13.2 V), H9 (65 W @ 12.0 V, 2100 lm ±10% @ 13.2 V), and H11 (55 W @ 12.0 V, 1350 lm ±10% @ 13.2 V)"; "the H4 (60/55 W @ 12 V, 1650/1000 lm" . These are the standard Lumen (lm) outputs. When you shop for an LED bulb, check its color temperature (4,000K to 5,000K is good), and its light output (Lumens/lm should be greater than 1,650/1,000 lm, which is standard for the installed H4 bulb...).
Avoid fans on the bulbs! Fans will clog up with dirt on the road, and fail, causing the LED bulb to overheat, and burn out prematurely... Get one with silver braided loops of copper wire on the back: they're a heat sink, dissipating excessive heat from the LED, without moving parts which can clog up, and fail.
I would recommend installing a set of driving LED lamps on the crash bars for improved conspicuity, first, and foremost! They will create a triangle of lights, as seen on train locomotives. They did a study, and the triangle of lights allows people to accurately gauge your approach speed. They come in various colors (again, 4,000K-5,000K is good), as well as Lumens (the higher the Lumens, the higher the Wattage; don't overload the alternator!), but something to light up the roadway, at night, would be in the 1,000 lm range, per light. Their reach may not be far, so shop carefully for LED's that will reach out far enough, as well as having enough brightness. Cheers!
SgtSlag
1993 Voyager XII
1993 Voyager XII
-
- Newbie
- Posts: 4
- Joined: Thu Jun 14, 2018 5:26 pm
- 6
- Current bike(s): 2000 Voyager XII
- Has liked: 0
- Been liked: 0
Re: Headlight Recommendations
Great info there Sarge, and Thank You! Mr Jensee I did get myself a pair of those NiLights and mounted them under the fairing using existing screws. For the price of them I couldn't resist and they seem sturdy. While I was in the Fairing I tried to lubricate the Headlight adjustment mechanism as it was real stiff and the cable wound breaking off at the very end. Is there a good source for this or do I need to go to a dealer and place an order or maybe somewhere like bike bandit?
- SgtSlag
- King of the Road
- Posts: 1057
- Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:04 pm
- 14
- Current bike(s): 1993 Voyager XII (2010)
(2006-2012: 1979 Honda CB750K)
(2008-2010: 1983 Kawasaki 440LTD, belt drive) - Location: Minnesota
- Has liked: 23 times
- Been liked: 238 times
Re: Headlight Recommendations
Contact Carl Leo: link. He is a retired Kawasaki master mechanic, and Voyager XII guru, bar none. He should be able to fix you up! Cheers!
SgtSlag
1993 Voyager XII
1993 Voyager XII
- Mr Jensee
- King of the Road
- Posts: 1987
- Joined: Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:55 pm
- 15
- Current bike(s): Phone 337-781-8158
Home Phone disconnected.
Previous bikes. Yamaha 180, Honda CM200T, Suzuki 1000LNKawasaki ZRX1100. - Location: Lafayette, La
- Has liked: 0
- Been liked: 9 times
Re: Headlight Recommendations
Going by your recommendations I ordered and installed tonight a 32watt H4 on the Voyager. Man what a difference. The headlight and spots are blinding. No problem being seen now. Thanks for the recommendations. The light I bought does not affect the aux. lighting module and reduces my overall current draw from 12.8 to 13.8
For Voyager XII Manuals click the link below.
https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ao3K0Ai2gvglgS3l7J4pBJrjfBhc
https://1drv.ms/f/s!Ao3K0Ai2gvglgS3l7J4pBJrjfBhc
- SgtSlag
- King of the Road
- Posts: 1057
- Joined: Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:04 pm
- 14
- Current bike(s): 1993 Voyager XII (2010)
(2006-2012: 1979 Honda CB750K)
(2008-2010: 1983 Kawasaki 440LTD, belt drive) - Location: Minnesota
- Has liked: 23 times
- Been liked: 238 times
Re: Headlight Recommendations
This H4 LED bulb from Amazon, is the closest I can find to what I purchased. Note, however, that this unit is 4,000 lm(!), per bulb, and it burns 44 Watts; it is also 6,000K, so rather bluish, in color. If you shop the Internet more thoroughly, you might find something better (4,000K-5,000K, in color -- less bluish; and lower wattage, which will likely be lower in Lumens, as well). Cheers!
SgtSlag
1993 Voyager XII
1993 Voyager XII