No push button start

[Rentamedic]

I'm a new bike rider/owner
The issue I have is no start when pressing start.
If I push the bike and dump the clutch in first as I push the start then it will start where should I start looking for a fix?

[triton28]

Assuming that the neutral light is illuminated, the transmission is in fact in neutral, the kill switch is set to run and a good battery voltage/condition then as you surmise the engine should start with the clutch engaged, (lever out), when the start button is depressed, ignition set to ON of course. However in your post it sounds as though this is not the case.
So, generally speaking there could be a number of reasons why it does not show any signs of life at the starter. Perhaps the side stand switch is not functioning as intended and this can be bypassed but you posted that if you bump start it will run so I don't see that as being the problem because I'm sure you have the side stand up when you are trying this manoeuver.
Next would be the starter lockout switch but by pulling the lever in, (clutch disengaged), the engine should start even if in gear.
A test for this switch since you have a 1986/1987 model would be to open the float bowl drains, remove a small amount of fuel/lower the level of fuel from each of the float bowls into a suitable container; close the drain screws, turn the ignition switch to ON, the stop switch to RUN and pull in the clutch lever. If you hear the fuel pump ticking then the lockout switch is working. If not then the switch is not functioning as intended.
But once again I don't think it is this causing the problem as the engine will start with a bump.
And we covered the neutral switch indicating the transmission is in neutral by illuminating so it probably isn't that.
And since the engine will start with a bump we can rule out the Engine Stop Switch being the culprit.
Next I would suspect a bad/open connection of the starter system wiring.Ensure that the battery terminals are clean with good contact for the cables and follow the + cable to the starter solenoid and check the 2 cable connections here and the 2 smaller wire connector for contact as well.
Follow the cable from the solenoid to the starter itself for connectivity; and if all is good then you will have to look at the actual start button/connections as a possible reason, paying particular attention to the Black/Red wire from the start button which changes to Black after it's connection with the main harness. This Bk/R wire should show 12V+ when the button is depressed with the ignition switch set to ON and in neutral. If no voltage then it could be a dirty contact inside the housing or a corroded contact where the wires connect with the main harness.
Using the wiring schematic from the Motorcycle Service Manual, or the MSM Supplement, you can also check the starter relay.
I use a 1997 Supplement because the wiring schematic of this, and previous year issues, are actually printed in colour; perhaps some later year editions are as well I'm not sure. As well Section 15, pages 15-39, 40, and 41may be of some help in diagnosing the problem
There isn't much else I can think of and hopefully I have given some avenues for you to look at. Hopefully other members may have a simpler solution but I put my money on the start button switch/wiring if all the previous item I mention check out as functioning as intended.
Regards,
Dave

[triton28]

I read in your other post, "Light Bulb Replacement" an important clue for this post: you hear a click when you depress the starter button. Too bad you did not mention that the first time as that fact is very revealing and leads me to believe your battery is either at a very low rate of charge or, that if it reads as charged ( 12.6V or more on a gauge,) it is past it's prime so to speak and has little or no amperage reserve in the cells.
Try jumping your connected bike's battery with a known good battery and see if the starter button then works.

[Rentamedic]

I read in your other post, "Light Bulb Replacement" an important clue for this post: you hear a click when you depress the starter button. Too bad you did not mention that the first time as that fact is very revealing and leads me to believe your battery is either at a very low rate of charge or, that if it reads as charged ( 12.6V or more on a gauge,) it is past it's prime so to speak and has little or no amperage reserve in the cells.
Try jumping your connected bike's battery with a known good battery and see if the starter button then works.

I'm sorry for the confusion grammar is never been a good subject for me In the 1st time bike owner I didn't know where to start

[triton28]

That's OK just keep at it and you will find the problem. There are lots of good people here who are willing to help but we need as many details as possible to help.
Don't forget to go to the AVA Home page, select Tech Center, select Voyager XII and the there will be a link to lots of info to help.
Regards,
Dave

[Rentamedic]

That's OK just keep at it and you will find the problem. There are lots of good people here who are willing to help but we need as many details as possible to help.
Don't forget to go to the AVA Home page, select Tech Center, select Voyager XII and the there will be a link to lots of info to help.
Regards,
Dave

thank you
so i put a jumper box on still hear the click starter solenoid ? and nothing other then that click
Where should i look next? could it just be a bad starter?

[triton28]

IF you are sure that the jumper box is OK, then I would quickly and not for too long a time, jump the 2 large terminals of the starter solenoid with insulated handle pliers or 2 screwdrivers and see if the starter works. If not, then either the solenoid relay is bad, cable connections on the solenoid and/or starter motor are corroded or the actual starter motor is not working.
Usually if one hears the click the solenoid low current circuit is OK but the high current circuit may have bad contact points or an open winding.
Hope that helps,
Dave

[cranky]

.. NOT a wrench, but I'd put the (known good) jumper box right
on the starter... she goes or is bad.... JM2C

[Rentamedic]

.. NOT a wrench, but I'd put the (known good) jumper box right
on the starter... she goes or is bad.... JM2C

Where is the starter on this bike new to bikes as of last week and need all the help I can get
Thanks

[triton28]

follow the battery positive cable and it ends, after the solenoid relay, at the starter motor, under the carbs.

[Rentamedic]

follow the battery positive cable and it ends, after the solenoid relay, at the starter motor, under the carbs.

okay so this is where I'm at I don't have a voltmeter determine the voltage but I do have a circuit tester I have conductivity at the starter solenoid and on the starter post but the starter is not turning so I'm taking it I probably got a bad starter

[cranky]

.. voltmeters are a LOT cheaper than a starter!!! Did you put your jumper battery
on the starter to see if it turns?

[Rentamedic]

Could not get the jumper on the post too tight need to get a small setup

[triton28]

The starter is only 2 hex head bolts, and the positive cable disconnected, to remove and then it can be bench tested. Hook up a "good battery" positive lead to the insulated metal portion of the stud on the starter and ground the starter to the negative terminal. Hold on tight to the starter when making the final connection and if the starter is good it will spin and it may slip out of your grip.
If it spins then check all your connections for clean unbroken contact. If it doesn't spin when hooked up as I posted then the starter may be in need of repair.
If you suspect it may be the starter button then you can jump the Black and the Red wire together in the main harness side terminals of the plastic connector where the RH switch wiring connects to the main harness. The Black wire in the connector of the main harness becomes Black/Red from the main harness connector up to the start button switch assembly. The handlebar switch assembly was probably supplied by Nippon Denso Electric Corporation and that was the colour of the wire that NDEC used for the start button connection.
Dave