Side Cover Post Repair - Updated
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Side Cover Post Repair - Updated
The lower posts on both air box chrome accent covers on my 86 ZN1300 are broken off. I picked up some replacement side cover 'posts' that were advertised as fitting a Honda so the 'knobs' are a bit large for the Kawasaki. I filed down the tip of one to be more like the original (the left post in the picture below - the middle is original stub and the right is a replacement without any filing).
I was hoping the stub was the original length so that I could used it to figure out the lengh but in test fitting the cover, the stub doesn't seem to be long enough. Does anyone happen to know or could measure the length of the lower post (as measured from the base to the tip of the post)?
Are the lower left and right posts the same length?
There is a foam rubber block (about 1/2 inch thick x 2 inches wide) on the back of each cover - is that block supposed to be there or has it been added (it's not clear from the parts fiche)?
Thanks for any advice
I was hoping the stub was the original length so that I could used it to figure out the lengh but in test fitting the cover, the stub doesn't seem to be long enough. Does anyone happen to know or could measure the length of the lower post (as measured from the base to the tip of the post)?
Are the lower left and right posts the same length?
There is a foam rubber block (about 1/2 inch thick x 2 inches wide) on the back of each cover - is that block supposed to be there or has it been added (it's not clear from the parts fiche)?
Thanks for any advice
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Re: Side Cover Post Repair
I tried yesterday to pull my covers off and all I succeeded in doing was stripping the phillips heads. Now there is something else I have to buy. Anyway why don't you go buy a small can of play dough, mold it into a tube and stick it on the inside of the cover to mimic the position of the original pegs. After a few test tries you should be able to judge pretty accurately the length of the missing pegs. Just a thought.
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Re: Side Cover Post Repair
Hi Mr. J. Thanks for your note.
I thought about using some clay or something similar to gauge the post length I need and its position. The problem is, since the lower post is missing on both side covers, there's no way to know the correct in/out position of the side cover (or front-to-back for that matter - but I can use the residue of the original post to correctly located front-to-back). The full length of a replacement post puts the cover approximately flush with the painted side covers but I suspect that would locate the cover out much further than it was originally - otherwise what's the purpose of the foam pads which would be nowhere near touching anything at that point (I'm assuming the foam pads on the inside of the covers are supposed to rest lightly on the airbox ??).
If I knew the length of the original posts, that would get me pretty close to ideal.
I thought about using some clay or something similar to gauge the post length I need and its position. The problem is, since the lower post is missing on both side covers, there's no way to know the correct in/out position of the side cover (or front-to-back for that matter - but I can use the residue of the original post to correctly located front-to-back). The full length of a replacement post puts the cover approximately flush with the painted side covers but I suspect that would locate the cover out much further than it was originally - otherwise what's the purpose of the foam pads which would be nowhere near touching anything at that point (I'm assuming the foam pads on the inside of the covers are supposed to rest lightly on the airbox ??).
If I knew the length of the original posts, that would get me pretty close to ideal.
Which 'phillips heads' are you referring to?Mr Jensee wrote:I tried yesterday to pull my covers off and all I succeeded in doing was stripping the phillips heads. Now there is something else I have to buy.
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Re: Side Cover Post Repair
Just re-read your post and saw the reference to the Voyager XII manuals in your signature. Are the XII Air Box covers held on with Phillips head screws by any chance?
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Re: Side Cover Post Repair
Van I never looked. I have only changed my air filter a couple times and of course accessed that by the top. I don't have any foam behind the chrome covers. I suspect the previous owner had a reason for putting them there.
Edit: Van I didn't notice when I saw your posts that you were referring to the 1300 Voyager. Sorry.
Edit: Van I didn't notice when I saw your posts that you were referring to the 1300 Voyager. Sorry.
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Re: Side Cover Post Repair
The foam is supposed to be there on a 1300.
The length I think is slightly different depending on position ,but the post you have should give you the approximate length as it looks like it broke at the bottom near the surface .set it in place where it was originally and check you measurements from there.
On mine I drilled a small hole through and into the air box and used a very small black screw to hold it .Does not look TOO bad .
I have tried a various number of epoxies and have never found on to hold over time .
The length I think is slightly different depending on position ,but the post you have should give you the approximate length as it looks like it broke at the bottom near the surface .set it in place where it was originally and check you measurements from there.
On mine I drilled a small hole through and into the air box and used a very small black screw to hold it .Does not look TOO bad .
I have tried a various number of epoxies and have never found on to hold over time .
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Re: Side Cover Post Repair
As the lower posts are broken off each side I'm not sure which side the stub is from. Right now, I'm working on repairing the right hand side cover and if the stub is mostly the right length, then I don't think it's from the right side. With the stub inserted in the right hand socket, I can feel at least a half an inch gap between the broken end of the post and the cover with the rubber pad of the cover resting on the air-box. I have yet to check the gap with the stub on the left side.Me Again wrote:The foam is supposed to be there on a 1300.
The length I think is slightly different depending on position ,but the post you have should give you the approximate length as it looks like it broke at the bottom near the surface .set it in place where it was originally and check you measurements from there.
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Re: Side Cover Post Repair
There is a pair of chrome sidecovers on eBay, ID # 382242378874.
The photos may help somewhat.
Dave
The photos may help somewhat.
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Re: Side Cover Post Repair
Good idea Triton!
I checked out the photos. Kind of hard to tell the length of the lower posts without a side view but they don't look much longer than the stub I have. I'm going to have take another look at my stub .
I checked out the photos. Kind of hard to tell the length of the lower posts without a side view but they don't look much longer than the stub I have. I'm going to have take another look at my stub .
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Re: Side Cover Post Repair
Thanks Dave (triton28) .
When I pulled my side cover off to check the length one of the tips broke off so I put in a low bid on the ones on ebay
When I pulled my side cover off to check the length one of the tips broke off so I put in a low bid on the ones on ebay
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Re: Side Cover Post Repair
Found the picture below on the KZ1300 site. It would appear the stub I have is probably the full length (or very close).
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I know I don't have a 1300 but when I took my chrome panel off I had to tug hard enough that the top post broke off. I JB Welded it back together and let it sit for a couple days. when I went to put it back on the rubber mounts were still tight. I sprayed the rubber grommets with silicone spray and they went back in like new. I also did the same thing to the rubber around the REPLACEMENT bolts I had to buy because even though I never tightened them so tight I stripped the originals out even with an impact driver. Had to drill them out. No rust and I am still trying to understand how simple allen head screws can get so tight.
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I keep a light coating of neversieze on all screw in fasteners,and a light coat of silicon on all push in fasteners.Doing that I do not have trouble servicing the bike.Mr Jensee wrote:I know I don't have a 1300 but when I took my chrome panel off I had to tug hard enough that the top post broke off. I JB Welded it back together and let it sit for a couple days. when I went to put it back on the rubber mounts were still tight. I sprayed the rubber grommets with silicone spray and they went back in like new. I also did the same thing to the rubber around the REPLACEMENT bolts I had to buy because even though I never tightened them so tight I stripped the originals out even with an impact driver. Had to drill them out. No rust and I am still trying to understand how simple allen head screws can get so tight.
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From this point on I will. I know I never over tighten bolts but it is unbelievable how tight these things get over time. This is the fouth bolt I have stripped out and I had to buy an air compressor to free up the nut retaining the rear brake caliper. Unbelievable.
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Just bumping this post....
Still hoping that someone can confirm the lengths of the lower posts on the left and right Chrome air-box covers.
Still hoping that someone can confirm the lengths of the lower posts on the left and right Chrome air-box covers.
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I get 7/8" from the cover to were the notch begins 3/8" for the notch and 1 1/2" total .
the bad part is when I took it off to measure ......... I broke it off
the bad part is when I took it off to measure ......... I broke it off
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... the reward? for good work... sigh... Maybe you can get some good tips from
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Thanks for posting the measurements MA. Sorry to hear about the breakage.
Once I get my repair operation in place, I'll post some pictures (hopefully get to it in a few weeks).
Once I get my repair operation in place, I'll post some pictures (hopefully get to it in a few weeks).
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Well, I finally got around to repairing the broken posts. Here's my process:cranky wrote:... the reward? for good work... sigh... Maybe you can get some good tips from
Van Voyager on fixing it!
I still wasn't convinced I had the right 'stand-off' measurement. To get a better idea, I used some modelling clay rolled up in a bit of a 'column', and stuck it on the 'boss' that holds the broken post's grommet. Then I fitted the cover in place and pressed down (compressing the clay) until It felt like the cover was in the right position. Then I removed the cover and measured the compressed clay. Both sides measured out at approximately 1 1/8" (just the stub length - not including the the nub) which I think roughly correlates with MA's measurements).
Since the replacement post 'nubs' were too big for this application, I used coarse and fine files and some steel wool to reduce the size to something more approaching the original post nub.
I fixed the replacement post(s) in a small mitre box using some wood clamps and cut the posts to length using a hacksaw. I've never used a mitre box yet that would make a square cut and this was no exception. I used a file to clean up the new post bottoms and made them as square as I could.
I test fitted the posts in their grommets to ensure the covers were at an appropriate level.
Using a compass I drew two concentric circles on the inside of each cover locating the centres using was was left of the 'cross' that formed the base of the original posts. CAUTION: WHILE THIS WORKS FOR LOCATING THE BROKEN POST FOR THE RIGHT COVER, IN MY CASE, ONCE CEMENTED, THE NUB ON THE LEFT COVER POST WAS OFF FROM THE GROMETT BY ABOUT 1/4~1/2 INCH. I'm redoing that cover now - See: "Round Two" below. The inner circle was roughly the diameter of the replacement posts and was used as a guide of what to 'rough-out' on the cover. The outer circle would be used as a guide to help locate the replacement post when gluing. The lines were quite faint so I 'dotted' them up with an indelible marker for better visibility. (The replacement post in the picture below has not yet been cut to size).
Using a Dremel tool with a grinding stone, I remove the last vestiges of the original posts (the 'cross') to create a level surface and roughed out an area approximately equal to the diameter of the replacement posts, i.e. the inner circle, to maximize the adhesion of the cement.
Wiped down glue surfaces with brake fluid.
Mixed up some two part epoxy (JB Weld PlasticWeld - as specified by the replacement post mfr.)
and placed a dollop on the inner circle and the bottom of the replacement post and cemented the post in position using the circles as guide for location. I cleaned up the excess epoxy with a Q-tip.
The epoxy is supposed to cure in an hour or so but I'm letting the cover sit for 24 hours before putting them back in service. I'll update when they're fitted.
Update: Right cover fits like a glove. Left cover, which has the replacement post pretty much centred on top of the original cover 'cross' is off by 1/2~1/2 inch.
PS: I considered installing the posts in their grommets and cementing them into place with the covers on the bike (I've successfully used that method on covers with three posts) but with twp posts covers, one of which is broken, there's limited control for placement or ensuring the posts end up 'straight' and in full contact with the cover.
On a side note, the fitment of the original posts into their grommets is very tight and I suspect that why just about all covers have one or more broken posts. I purposely made the replacement post nubs on the small size (and lubed them generously when test fitting with silicone lubricant) and I'm wondering if I should 'grind' down the remaining original post on each cover as well.